Diva Mama Nut is a Kemetic priestess in the Sh’ti Mer tradition which is the tradition that speaks of bliss consciousness and how to live in bliss consciousness and be of bliss consciousness. She guides healers, artists and all manners of spiritual creatives to realize their Gifts through unconditional adoration, whole-self mastery and Orgasmic Awareness. As chief priestess of Kra Mut Ankh ~ Temple of the Mother of Life, she is the holder of the lineage of Sh'ti Mer - a resurrected ancient Afrakan initiatory path of Orgasmic Alchemy, and once lost great-grandmother to Indian Tantra. "Diva Mama Nut”, as she's affectionately known, is the founder & guiding light behind: OrgasmicLiving.com, where she welcomes activist, singles, and partnered lovers into initiation in the Divine mysteries of bliss consciousness, TheTempleOfWombn.com, which calls Diva healers together to celebrate & command life as their most luscious, vivacious, orgasmic selves, and YouAreMagnificent.com, which is an universal inspiration station for folks who just like feeling good! Nut is also a favorite guest on local & national radio and is featured in the DVD “Magdalene Unveiled: the Ancient & Modern Sacred Prostitute”, by best-selling author, Kenneth Ray Stubbs.

Here we talk about what we need as women to re-ignite our wombs and our well-being and our spiritual knowledge:

Liaya: Good evening Diva Mama Nut, how are you?

Nut: I am beautiful! (laughter)

Liaya: Yes you are. So…what do we need as women? What do we as women need to learn and understand about who we are that we’re not understanding or we seem to have forgotten?

Nut: Well, immediately I hear that word need and I go Ahhhgggg! ‘Cause we don’t need anything. I think the one thing that would be nice and is very helpful in healing for us as women to know is that we have a tremendous wealth of jewels that we can use for our own well-being; our own sexual well-being, our own financial well-being, our soul well-being, our spiritual well-being and our communal well-being. As a family of women, and as a family of people with lovers and children and grandparents and great grandchildren, we have a wealth of gifts endowed within us as women as our birthrights that give us access to mastery in all of these areas. It is not something that we have to get from outside of ourselves. It’s a matter of recognizing and remembering who we naturally are.

Liaya: And, what keeps us from this awareness, this living it out everyday? So many of us are not living anywhere near or intuitively surrounded in that sort of energy. So many of us are still struggling on the peripherals, trying to make a living and to keep our families together. There are so many things that we seem to think and feel that separates us from our greatest fulfillment. Would you talk a little bit about how to reconnect with our abundance of jewels...what are ways that women can reconnect with these jewels that are already there for us?

Nut: Oh, there’s a myriad of ways to reconnect. We don’t have access to these jewels in the way that we should because there are forces deliberately and consciously and unconsciously on remote control, everyday barring us from this knowledge of what it means to be a woman—what it means to have women in the human family. Preventing us from accessing and exercising are most natural truth. Sexuality is one of the most blatant arenas where you can see this played out.

Liaya: What’s the purpose of the forces that keeps us from knowing our truth, what’s the consequence of us not having this information?

Nut: Slavery. Minds that feel inadequate, and I’m talking here of individual minds as well as a collective societal mind. We have both working in our modern society. Whether individual or societal, or governmental. Insecurity breeds the need to inspire further security so that it makes itself feel secure. An insecure mind in order to feel at peace with itself without going completely over the edge feels the need to make the others around themselves equally or more insecure than they themselves feel so they feel alright. Rather than heal my pain. You know that phrase ‘misery loves company.’

Liaya: Absolutely. (laughter)

Nut: Well misery doesn't just love company, misery conspires to create company. Misery is an addiction to one’s pain. An addiction to denying oneself of the natural urge to heal. Healing can be tough so, you can understand why misery loves company and fear denies these things. So that’s their purpose. The purpose of it is not the victim or the perceived object of that conspiracy. The purpose is to always make the perpetrators feel better about who they are. It’s always about trying to fill an empty hole in them. It’s never about us whoever the ‘us’ may be (laughter). That’s where we get lost with that. We think “oh it’s all about me”. You get sucked into the whole trap of it. We as women or as any oppressed marginalized group do, we wind up trying to make them like us. That plays into the whole dynamic. Then we start to do things that are against our nature because we are trying to please an unnatural order. An unnatural circumstance which is this mindset be it an individual—insecure boyfriend or an insecure president (laughter) you know? Or an entire governmental body—agency, or corporation. We become focused outside of ourselves. It’s very popular for women to get into the whole self-help, self-healing, fix me I’m broke kind of scenario and think that this is progressive and enlightening. It is anything but because it is playing into that same cycle of there is something wrong with me and I need something outside of myself to correct that. We are all absolutely perfect and divine in form and essence and every possible way.

Liaya: Yes, I do know. That brings us to the next part of my question—this is a new question actually. One of your specialties is initiation. One of the things you assist women and men with—what you do is offer initiation to access these hidden jewels. Will you talk a little bit about what initiation is and how it can help bring a sense of wholeness or completion?

Nut: Well you know, I love talking about initiation. My favorite subject. What I have done with my personal healing mission in my vocation is I’ve dedicated it to adult initiation and to cultivating an appreciation for that in the culture and in ourselves as individuals. Initiation and cultural initiation has become popular in the last few decades in the West. A lot of the time it’s been focused on something we need to for the children. And kind of the problem with that is that the adults who are leading it (laughter) never got it themselves. So they wind up enacting or experimenting with themselves and with their own initiatory process in the company of these children and the children are very perceptive and they kind of figure out that this doesn’t really hold water. They are thinking: ‘I’m being asked to do something and to hold values that the people who are asking me to do this never did themselves and they are wanting me to believe that they are too old to do it now and that doesn’t make sense.”

I began to notice this especially in women who are being called to lead initiation for girls—that’s a big popular thing now. ‘Come and initiate our girls. We don’t want them winding up pregnant.’ It’s a fear based kind of a deal. ‘You carry yourself well, initiate this group of girls.’ Like it’s some magical thing. I want to dispell some myths about initiation before I talk about what it is. What it is not—it is not a ceremony or series of tests to determine one’s worthiness to join a particular group. It is not that, it has never been that. True initiation--it is not a series of physical or emotional trials that get worse and worse and worse (laughter) until they almost kill you. True initiation is not something that is an excuse for torture or abuse or egomaniacal behavior in any form.

There is a lot of ‘hollywoodish’ portraits of deep dark Afrikan initiation rituals (laughter) and you can look on TV right now—I’m sure if you flip through the cable channel guide somewhere tonight there’s probably a show about somebody getting scarred, tattooed or something—some dark person somewhere in the world. You know ‘a strange tribal initiation rite.’ The people who say this don’t bother to actually study and ask questions of the elders of the cultures they are dealing with. They don’t know what it is about. They just say what they say. That’s what initiation isn’t. People really think its about joining a group and proving your worthiness to a group. It is just the opposite. What initiation is is when your culture or your societal group or circle of family and friends recognizes that you are ready to own yourself completely and support you in doing that. The process of initiation is an individual’s choice—their conscious choosing to awaken themselves to the truth of who they are. To meet themselves head on.

Liaya: Okay, that’s a very powerful way to be and live. It’s very different—the way you explained it from what we come to think of as initiation. It is an owning of oneself. So it’s not necessary unless it’s something you don’t know about yourself to go through any kind of pain and suffering.

Nut: This is true. I mean the trial nature of initiation is not deliberate its just defacto because the only thing that will keep us from knowing who we are is fear. The only way to understand fear is to move through it. Hence, the trial experiences that come about in initiation. Different cultures throughout time have dealt with securing and making safe the environment in which these kind of trials can be experienced for their people. No culture wants to take its youngest, best, and brightest and run them off a cliff (laughter). No sane culture anyway. I have to remember the Romans actually did do that with their strongest. That was a part of Spartans. Their biggest, strongest males they threw them off the cliff (laughter).

Liaya: If they didn’t win or something?

Nut: I don’t remember the whole thing—I have to go back and dig it up—it was a memory flash ‘oh yeah wait, Cesar did initiate that kind of thing. They did that in Roman times. I’ll go back to no sane culture. An argument can easily be made about the insanity there (laughter).

Liaya: Womens culture/traditions seem to be—well, I don’t know—it seems that our initiations are really more deeply imbeded in going deeper in our own psyche and spirit.

Nut: Well, I won’t make that distinction between women and men. In the case of true initiation it’s going to be the same. What happens with women is that as we by nature—femininity essence and energy by its very nature is a container of energy. An energy of the ability to contain. This is our most precious gift. If we even stop for a few seconds to consider that—what it means to have the gift of containment, to be a container for that which we want which is around us. We contain things in order to heal and transform and transmute them. We can contain things in order to amass and enjoy things. We have the magic bowls. Men don’t have that. The magic of masculinity in masculine essence and energy is it’s focus. It’s ability to focus—to set a sight on a target and bam! hit it. To reach out and grab and bring it back—bring it back for who? The container to contain and cultivate it. We work together. So it may appear that our initiations are more interior and more body based because our bodies give us very clear initiatory rites with our blood moon cycle and the different quality and personality that cycle adopts over our lifetime. That’s in the body—it’s very real. We have very real stuff going on there. And the whole cycle of pregnancy and childbirth and what happens around that. But again, energetically it’s about that container of energy. Men’s initiation is just as self reflective. It’s just their self is this outward directed force. Their self is this targeting focus focalizing energy. So that’s why it may look like they’re more about displays of bravery and going out and climbing this mountain or that. But that is how they are able to see themselves. The intention is still the same. The goal of initiation is always maturity. Maturity through mastery.

Liaya: Can you speak a little bit about what you mean by maturity?

Nut: I have a definition of maturity that I always give people. Maturity is the ability to interpret, deliberately interact with, and create cooperatively with the world around us. And that definition of maturity comes from initiation and from ancient Afrakan culture. A mature person is a person who is ready to take up leadership in his or her community. To really take on the reins of personal king or queenship. In order to do that we must be able to interpret and deliberately interact with and create cooperatively with the world around us. Any one of those is missing, you’re not able to occupy a position of leadership in your own life, in your family, and certainly not in your community.

Liaya: Now, that’s very different from what we are raised in this culture to think of as maturity (laughter).

Nut: It’s not about how old you are. That’s age. Change is inevitable—growth is a choice. The seasons will change, our bodies will grow older, we will age. That does not necessarily mean that we will grow (laughter).

Liaya: So it’s taking leadership of your own life, responsibility for it. Which comes from knowing who you are?

Nut: Yes. There is no victimization in a mature person, you know. Because a mature person can deliberately choose their interactions and a mature person knows that intrinsically, because they have embraced initiation—they have embraced this process of knowing the truth of who they are. All of it, really accepting it. That means that I accept the parts of me that are a bitch (laughter) and the parts of me that are angelic. They get equal acceptance. and love. It really comes down to taking responsibility of being a beacon, a conscious beacon of divine love. First for myself and then for everything I see.

Liaya: A lifelong journey.

Nut: It is. An initiation once begun never ends. You go through it in stages. There are stages of maturation and all of that. But it doesn’t end. And I don’t want it to end. It’s blissful. It’s a blissful ever growing awakening process. Growth is fun. I’d take it over just change by itself any day.

Liaya: Yeah because there is always something unfolding that will reveal more of who you are. And, I got that directly from your lips! I have internalized it and it does definitely hold true for me. Now, in keeping with the concepts of initiation—especially for women, what are some of the pathways in your training or under your guidance that women can experience. What pathways will they have—what hidden information are they holding that will come forth in an initiation program with you?

Nut: Back in March of 2003 I founded and opened the Temple Of Wombn and held the first session of our 10 Moon Initiation there. One of basic of this initiation is an introduction of what we call the 5 magicks that every woman possesses. These 5 magicks are: soul/self magick; knowledge of who you are, your true emotional self. Your desires. It’s a heart and woman consciousness kind of thing. So that’s soul magick. The second is Wealth magick. Well-being. Total well-being; financial, health, all of it. We have an innate capacity to master and to command what come into our lives as sustenance. Then there is circle magick, which is our ability, and so natural. Every woman has this experience because it is basic to the feminine experience that we draw and move and form circles. We draw circles of sisters around ourselves and move through different stages of life.

Our circles can define us, they certainly define and direct the course of how well or how poorly we manifest our desires in the world; and how well or poorly we are able to meet the truth of our soul’s desires in the world. That’s what people call the soul’s purpose. Our circles really determine that. Fourth is Spirit Magick...Our connection with the Divine and how active a communication we have with pure divine essence. I mean a direct one-on-one kind of thing. I’m not talking about—and I have nothing against it—but I’m not speaking here of confessions to a priest or priestess (laughter). I’m not speaking about going to any type of intercessory here. Again, not against it just not what this is about. This is about that maintenance of an on-going place of communication between who you are as a human woman on planet earth and your divine unlimited omniscient, omnipotent essence in full form. Having an open communication with that. And finally, sex magick, last but definitely not least (laughter).

Liaya: My favorite (laughter).

Nut: Everybody’s favorite! This is so important. This is our creation energy. Orgasmic energy is the energy of creation. It is the point at which—the one aspect of the human experience that maintains by its very nature an open connection with the omnipotent eternal essence that we come from. This is what is meant by creation. Pulling from the infinite into the finite. In order to pull, you gotta touch . That touch is what we know as orgasm—orgasmic energy. I should say ‘we’ you and I (laughter) because you are an initiate as well. Most of us, men and women; woefully, a lot of women don’t know what that touch is. I’m not just talking about a physical touch here. It’s not about a magic spot. It really is about a level of multi-dimensional opening and allowing oneself the vulnerability and the space and trust to surrender enough to know divine in that way. To know that connection—that is completely blissful connection. Mastery of this—even sub-mastery of sex magick—we already know in our culture—that gets you pretty far (laughter). The plastic boobs and the whole bit. That’s a very pale imitation of sex magick. That’s just playing with the idea. Imagine the power if you held it full force without artifice, without need of plastic anything. Just pure uncut raw orgasmic power and walked with it. There’s a scale that I ask the women who come into 10 moons initiation to rate themselves on and the 10 on that scale is ‘so hot I melt the sidewalks!’ That’s what we’re talking about here (laughter).

Liaya: There you go—and holding and wielding that kind of power can be very threatening if you are not comfortable with all of those areas of your life.

Nut: That’s why they’re altogether in what we call the bliss wheel because they do interact. We can’t be lopsided with one or the other. We bear too many tales of tragedy in this culture of women who have been lopsided with it. Who have tried to wield sex magick power to the extent of the exclusion of all else. Anna Nicole comes to mind, Marilyn Monroe to a certain extent.

Liaya: Dorothy Dandridge—all of the sex goddesses.

Nut: You know I think what took her wasn’t the sex magick, it was the lack of the circle in the Dorothy Dandridge case. This is real important for us as African women specifically, and women of color period. All women need to pay attention to this. Even European sisters, they get suckered into fake circles. Pseudo-circles of convenience and prestige and privilege—supposed privilege, you know. But since they are not real, they don’t have a real connection and they come up wanting from that. I’ll restate that. All of us really—the balance of the circle is really our home ground. The circle, specifically of women, is a force to be reckoned with—but we have to actually have it. Dorothy Dandridges case and life really exemplifies that. She had her wealth magick in check for the most part. But see without the circle the others can become corrupted. So her wealth and sex magick got corrupted—she fell in love with the wrong men! Over and over and over again. She gave her money to them and that corrupted her soul magick. She didn’t have access to that. When you don’t have access to the soul magick your spirit connection gets really screwed. When you don’t have a circle to come in and say ‘sisterfriend, you are tripping! (laughter) Come let me take you into my house, stop taking those pills, stop seeing that doctor—I don’t trust him.’ You know? If you don’t have those things, you wind up in the tragic end that people like her have had. I’ve talked about being so hot and melting the sidewalk but before you go melting sidewalks, you got to melt the pain. We have to melt all the injury that is personal and being that women are the containers, we can hold pain for centuries.

There is energy that has to come out—we got our mothers and our grandmothers and our great-grandmothers and it takes a powerful circle to help sisters through that. That’s what we provide. That’s why I founded the Temple of Wombn. The Temple of Wombn is a permanent circle to tap into for women who want to go through that experience. And even for women who don’t know about the work we’re doing, it’s healing for all. So the establishment of the circle is important. Whether you are led to come to it or not, again, you ain’t broke you don’t need no fixing so come if you feel guided. If not, don’t worry about it (laughter). It will come to you anyway!

Liaya: If they are reading this then on some level they are ready to consciously ready to work with the energy in some way.

Nut: This is true.

Liaya: How can women become more involved with the Temple even to see about the possibilities that await them.

Nut: Yes, the word initiation has a lot of juice to it—a lot of the things we talk about ruffles feathers, so I want to give women a chance to—in a relaxed way, get introduced to the concepts and to the energy that we create in the circle. This is a way to step in and experience the magick of the circle before they commit or follow their leading completely into the initiation. I expect though that it will be as it has always been. The women who know this is for them will hear about it and start pounding our doors immediately! They won’t need a test drive!(laughter).

Liaya: I know how I came into the circle—through the internet on a humble you know? I was looking for something totally different and there you were and that’s how it happened.V

Nut: You knew, ‘I gotta do this. I don’t know what it is but something here says I gotta be here.’V

Liaya: It’s got my name written all over it.V

Nut: Yeah. And that’s the way it will be. Each of these 10 moon initiations groups is by necessity small. I would love to open the doors to hundreds but it is just not physically possible to do that. Eventually it will be because there will be more Diva Mentors trained in this that can simultaneously lead many, many smaller circles. But right now, those women who are inclined to take this up and to take up leadership here, and who are are inclined to become those future Diva Mentors, those are the ones who will. Like I said, I have every expectation that they will hear about this and the calls and emails will start. ‘Do you have a spot left, can I get in?’

Liaya: Would you share your contact information so they can start moving towards it.

Nut: The website is www.thetempleofwombn.com . You can always email us at info@thetempleofwombn.com There’s contact information somewhere on the site. Go to the site and follow the links and you’ll be in. We also have a circle on line which is an online version of the circle where you can also come in through links on the site and you can contact myself and diva initiates and mentors there directly. If you want to get it direct—what’s the scoop, what’s it like you can do that there as well. I invite everyone to come and play there.

Liaya: You won’t be sorry sisters, I took the training and my life has transformed so dramatically. I had been a teacher for many years but this took me to a level that cleared a lot of old stuff and it was difficult sometimes but it was definitely worth it. I have a lot more clarity and enjoyment of my day to day life. It’s a way to get to the core of your being and live in a positive state of mind and spirit when you really get who you are, embrace it—what you’re here for. I highly recommend it. Is there anything you would like to share in closing with the sisters, although there could be some brothers out there reading this too.

Nut: Yeah, brothers. You know the sisters—the brothers get a bad rap for not encouraging the highest and best in women, but I meet so many men who want the women in their lives to be more of who they are naturally. We seem to have been duped into believing that the men want the hair weaves, the fake boobs (laughter), the skin-tight clothes, micro mini-skirts and all that. The men who care and even the ones who don’t, I get to talk to them. What they really, really want and appreciate is a woman worthy of the worship they have for her. What they really want and are longing for is a woman worthy of the worship they have in their hearts for her. They’ll take the rest because its there (laughter). It’s like chocolate cake, ‘sure I’ll have another slice!’ But, it’s not what they want for dinner. It’s not what they want to be fed, it’s not what they want to live with, and it’s not what they want in their bed. It’s not what they want to show off to their friends. It’s not what they want to see in their mind’s eye of themselves hand-in-hand with. It’s not what they envision and what will help them meet the terrors of the world, you know? So, for brothers who encounter this, shoot this to the sisters who you know need it. Because you probably know better than they do.

A lot of times they know, we try to fool ourselves, but they know. They know when your'e faking and pretending like everything is a-okay. That nine to five job that you hustling, and putting on your make-up and smiling about it—they know you are hurting. They know there is something missing in your life. So I will say to the sisters, listen to the men when they say to you ‘you can be more, you can do more and I want to support you to do that’. It’s not a line of b.s.—and even it is, treat it like it ain’t (laughter), you might surprise each other. Really and truly if you want to know the secret, men are the reason that the Temple of Wombn exists. Because the men that I work with mostly in terms of the Sh’ti Mer initiation would frequently come to me ‘I’ve got a girlfriend, a lover, a wife who really needs this information. Can you see her?’ I found it very difficult to see women one-on-one energetically. I needed the circle to feed it. That’ is why the Temple of Wombn was created (laughter).

Liaya: This is so important because there is so much negative information out there about relationships and how we don’t care about each other and all that.

Nut: Oh, we do care.

Liaya: Yes, it’s just that we aren’t allowing ourselves to get to that core level again because of so many things. Well once again it has been a wonderful experience communicating with you Diva Mama Nut. I invite all of you who are reading this to contact the Temple of Wombn to learn more and become a participating member of the circle, it’s always open.

Nut: Hetepu